RHI Live: Ex-DUP Special Advisor Andrew Crawford's brother & # 39; said RHI was lucrative & # 39;

RHI Live: Ex-DUP Special Advisor Andrew Crawford's brother & # 39; said RHI was lucrative & # 39;

Former DUP Spad Andrew Crawford

We are live with the RHI request. Scroll down to see what was said earlier today.

Andrew Crawford "did not seek the latest possible date" for RHI cost controls

15:15

Dr. Crawford said he was unaware in July 2015 that the increase in claims would impact on the Northern Ireland company's budget.

He thought that the North would receive only a larger part of the British pot, but he warned Mr. Cairns that the funding was not guaranteed indefinitely.

In the e-mail to Mr Cairns on 20 July, he said that he considered it "reasonable" for the company to introduce cost controls to "stop potential abuse of the system", but that tariffs should not be reduced "too much" ,

Mr Aiken asks if there is anything in the e-mail that contains a policy that Mr. Cairns should seek the latest possible time to introduce cost controls.

Dr. Crawford said that implied "seeking the earliest possible date".

The request heard the email discussing any dates for the introduction of possible controls.

Andrew Crawford warned in July 2015 of a massive increase in RHI applications

3.10 pm

On July 20, 2015, Dr. Crawford emailed Mr. Cairns to warn him, "The word on the streets" was that the reductions in RHI program subsidies would be introduced in October and "you will receive a massive flood of applications before that date".

"I told them that a tsunami is coming, in which you have to move," Dr. Crawford of the investigation.

Mrs Foster said, Crawford did not inform her. The investigation asked Dr. Crawford "how likely" it was that he did not tell the minister.

"I certainly did not withhold it, but I can not sit here today and say … I gave her the information," he said.

Sir Patrick pointed out that Dr. Crawford was in the finance department back then, and RHI should have experienced it as an important budget problem. "What's wrong with making this a short … your minister?" he asked.

"I should have done it," Dr. Crawford. "Did I verbally inform you, I can not confirm that in one way or another."

"No difficulty" to talk to the industry

2.50pm

Mr. Aiken asked Dr. Crawford, whether he spoke with David Mark of Moy Park about problems in the RHI program.

The ex-spad said he had not talked to Mr. Mark.

At the time Dr. Crawford proposed to Mr. Cairns to speak with Mr. Mark and plumber Mr. Robinson.

"I gave information, I was not there to do his work for him," he said.

Mr. Cairns's evidence is that it would have been "inappropriate" to meet any man.

Dr. Crawford said he had "no difficulty in speaking to the industry, and I believe the role of a consultant was to talk to a wider circle of people."

A range of biomass boilers in Co Fermanagh attracts subsidies under the Renewable Heat Incentive Program

Andrew Crawford heard in July 2015 that people "heat empty sheds"

14:35

Asked by panel member Dame Una O & Brien, he responded to news that he had just left a few months ago. Crawford, he was "surprised, I was shocked".

"I was surprised by the inclusion in the program (since I left the department)," he said.

On July 17, 2015, during the leave, the request heard Dr. Crawford met a biomass installer at his brother James' poultry division next to Spad's small business.

Dr. Crawford said installer David Robinson of R & S Biomass said "because of the number of boilers installed, there is a lack of piping work". The installer also told him how many hours the receivers typically use.

The ex-Spad said he had "believed" that during this conversation he heard that some RHI recipients had used their boilers to heat empty sheds because the system was paying them.

"I think he told me more about the discussions in the industry," Dr. Crawford.

He added, "It was one of those talks where I quickly got a lot of information."

Mr. Aiken suggested Dr. Crawford might have been told that the plan was so good that people would heat up empty sheds.

The poultry industry was a major beneficiary of the RHI program

RHI & # 39; did not have to become First Minister in the summer of 2015

2:25

Mr Cairns said after the resignation of Drs. Crawford in January 2017 a "confirmation" from Dr. Crawford, talking to Timothy Johnston about RHI in the summer of 2015.

Dr. Crawford said he had general talks with Mr. Johnston, but not specifically about RHI.

Dr. MacLean said it was "very strange." RHI was never discussed with Mr. Johnston this summer.

Dr. Crawford said, "I did not have much communication with Timothy Cairns on this matter. As for budget irregularities, that's what I said to DFP (Finance) … I saw no reason to call attention to the attention of the First Minister at this stage "

He said that this summer he understood that Mr. Cairns and the Corporate Department are taking the lead in the RHI issue.

When asked why Mr Cairns would say otherwise, Dr. Crawford: "He's had conversations with me, I accept that there were conversations and e-mail exchanges between me and Timothy Cairns … it was in relation to the paper in question."

"The information I gave Timothy Cairns was regarding the content of the submission," he said.

The RHI submission was sent to Timothy Johnston

2:10

After a lunch break, the request again hears about the contribution of 8 July 2015 to the introduction of RHI cost controls.

Dr. Crawford said he had forwarded the petition to Timothy Johnston, but did not expect him to get any advice from him.

"I talked to him about it on July 14, and he only got it two nights later," he said.

Mr. Johnston is proof that he did not read the submission or agreed with Dr. Ing. Crawford has discussed.

Dr. Crawford said he mentioned the RHI question to Mr. Johnston before, but "I do not remember any detailed discussions".

Mr. Aiken suggests sending the e-mail so Mr. Johnston "knows there is a potential problem".

Dr. Crawford replied, "To be fair, when I talked to him two nights ago … I was not aware of the details."

Andrew Crawford sent an e-mail to the RHI signing letter to his cousin Richard

1 O 'clock

Dr. Crawford sent a lecture on planned RHI cost controls to cousin Richard Crawford and Timothy Johnston on the evening of July 16, 2015.

Dr. Crawford has already admitted to the investigation that it was "inappropriate" to have sent the document to his cousin.

Mr. Aiken suggests why Dr. Crawford has forwarded the request "that your cousin needs to know that tariffs are falling".

Dr Crawford was not, saying that his cousin's boilers had already been installed.

"I believe it should give reassurance that it does not affect its existing business … The knowledge was (in the industry) that the changes would take place," he said.

In the summer of 2015 Richard Crawford installed three boilers. The applications for the accreditation of its boilers were sent on 9 September 2015 – almost two months after the application was sent in July.

Mr. Aiken suggested when Dr. Crawford sent the submission to his cousin, the boilers are still "in the process" installed.

Panel member dr. Keith MacLean also said the submission was a "useful warning" to Richard Crawford.

Dr. Crawford replied, "The entire industry was aware of that before … So he did not know that change was taking place."

Mr. Aiken suggested Dr. Crawford did not email his brother because he just told him.

"I had no reason to send it to my brother … He was in a different position than my cousin," Dr. Crawford.

Former DUP Special Advisor Andrew Crawford

Andrew Crawford was not aware of any specific changes to RHI until mid-July 2015

12:30

Dr. Crawford has insisted that he was unaware of any changes proposed to the RHI program until he had requested changes to the RHI tariffs on 16 July 2015, although he knew that there would be changes.

"I did not know what was in the submission," he said.

The request heard Dr. Crawford was told that the RHI scheme was over budget.

He said that in May 2015 he had noticed a big snake at an agricultural fair for renewable energy stands. But he said he was not fully aware of an increase in RHI applications at this stage.

"After receiving the submission, I became aware of it," he said.

The submission said cost controls were needed to manage RHI spending.

Andrew Crawford & # 39; not specifically said to work with Timothy Cairns on RHI & # 39;

noon

There is a dispute over what kind of help Dr. Crawford was asked to give Mr. Cairns.

Mr. Cairns said that he was "led" by Mr. Johnston in June 2015 to work with Dr. Ing. Crawford through the RHI program.

Timothy Johnston points out that at the end of June 2015 "there are no proposals to work with Timothy Cairns on working with … customs controls".

Dr. Crawford said that someone had told him that he could not work with Mr. Cairns, whether it was Ms. Foster or Mr. Johnston, but not specifically with RHI.

"I do not think when I shook Timothy's hand it was a particular problem … it was just help to get him up (in his new role)," he said.

Andrew Crawford was in the corporate department for the development of the RHI system

11.45 clock

In May 2015, Dr. Crawford's corporate department and became a specialist advisor in the finance department.

"I've been in Deti for seven years, and in some ways, I was glad to continue, otherwise I was sad to go," he said.

He said he was worried he had more experience in the department than most senior officials.

Dr. Crawford said he was aware that the problems in the corporate department were fast moving forward.

"I would say, in terms of support, it was not unusual for us to help other departments," he said.

He said while in the finance department, he got help from his colleague Spad Richard Bullick.

Sir Patrick said it was "a matter of common sense" for Mr. Cairns to be asked to speak with RHI. Crawford, having been in the corporate department since the beginning of the program.

Dr. Crawford said he told Mr Cairns "I'm here to help", but said he could not remember what they had discussed about energy issues back then.

He said that by the time he changed departments, he was unaware of potential problems with the RHI scheme.

Andrew Crawford's brother and cousins ​​"Moy Park Suppliers"

11.10 clock

Mr Aiken asked whether "the panel should be suspicious of what you knew at the end of 2014 about the non-national system and its attractiveness".

Dr. Crawford said he was unaware of the attractiveness of tariff rates.

He was asked if his brother or cousins ​​had ever attracted the RHI program because he was a spad in the department responsible for developing the project.

Exam Chair Sir Patrick Coghlin said: "You have a house farm within 10 miles of them … you never said to them, is it worthwhile putting those cauldrons?"

Dr. Crawford said he had not talked about the kettles.

"There was no experience of what the actual processing of the boiler would be," he said.

Panel member Dame Una O & Brienz asked if Dr. Crawford ever told his brother, "You should look into the RHI plan".

He said he did not do it.

Dr. Crawford added that his brother and two cousins ​​are Moy Park suppliers.

The RHI program has put massive pressure on state budgets

RHI installer told Andrew Crawford's brother James "he could make money"

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James Crawford said he received an offer for his boilers in June 2014. An e-mail from the proposed installer contained two graphs showing how much money can be made from the system and the potential fuel savings.

The document states that the program will have "paid off" by the end of the third year.

An example calculation showed that a RHI boiler could generate more than £ 12,000 a year and an annual saving of more than £ 16,000.

Over the course of 20 years, a calculation revealed that there would be an RHI income of around £ 250,000 and savings of over £ 300,000.

Mr. Aiken told Dr. Crawford: "The strength of that I suppose you would accept."

"On June 6, 2014, according to your brother, this is a message sent to him to make various claims about how lucrative the RHI system is," the lawyer said.

When asked if he had ever talked with his brother about his poultry business, he said, "I do not remember any discussions about it."

He added, "I was not involved in any part of it."

"I have no memory of ever having seen this document before," he said.

His brother installed his two kettles in and around July 2015.

The botched RHI scheme costs the taxpayer 490 million pounds

Andrew Crawford's relatives had 11 RHI cauldrons

10.50 clock

Dr. Crawford said he bought a small holding that was completed in 2014.

His brother James lives on the family farm outside of Omagh, Co Tyrone. He had two RHI cauldrons. His cousin Richard lives about five miles from Dr. Crawford's small business removed. He had six RHI cauldrons.

His cousin John Crawford, who had three cauldrons, lives on a poultry farm about nine miles from the Crawford family home.

Dr. Crawford said his cousin Richard was the first to install biomass boilers. "I'm not sure when I saw this unit for the first time … but I suspect it was after the conversion".

Senior Stormont press officer was "briefing" against Andrew Crawford

Dr. Crawford has alleged that the executive spokesman David Gordon was involved in the "press conference against me" in January 2017.

He said his request is based on e-mail exchange given to the investigation.

"If you have the exchange between him and you [DUP adviser] Richard Bullick in December [2016] They see the hint "to get the true story out," he said.

Andrew Crawford (left) and Timothy Cairns

Andrew Crawford resigned after being referred to as cost control

10.30 clock

After the senior official dr. Andrew McCormick had called him late, he said that he had met Arlene Foster in her apartment, along with Timothy Johnston, and resigned in January 2017.

He said back then that Ms. Foster suggested it was possible that Spad John Robinson would resign.

"What he was accused of was not that his father-in-law had a boiler installed," he said.

DUP "allowed interpretation" Andrew Crawford was involved in delaying the cost control

10:10

Dr. Crawford said in his written evidence that at the height of the RHI crisis, a speech by Arlene Foster "allowed the interpretation" that he was involved in delaying cost control.

"I was unfairly accused in my thoughts," he said. He added, "This is how politics works in times of crisis."

Dr. Crawford said he was "angry" about how the DUP handled the crisis in December 2016 / January 2017.

Former DUP special adviser Timothy Cairns at the RHI investigation

Dr. Crawford denies that he was trying to delay RHI's cost controls

9:45

Ex-DUP special adviser Timothy Cairns insisted that senior spad Andrew Crawford "from the beginning" realized that cost control should be postponed to the latest date that company representatives would agree with.

Dr. Crawford said the investigation: "In the summer of 2015 there was talk of the introduction of tariffs … at no time did I try to delay the introduction of tariff controls".

Inquiry Counsel Joseph Aiken told dr. Crawford Cairns's evidence is "at odds with theirs."

What happened yesterday?

Former DUP Special Adviser (Spad) Timothy Cairns, who had worked with corporate secretary Jonathan Bell, claimed that party leader Arlene Foster was aware of her advisors' involvement in the RHI program.

He said that in June 2015 he was "led" by Senior Advisor Timothy Johnston, today's DUP CEO, to discuss the program with Spad Andrew Crawford.

What was RHI?

The botched scheme, designed to encourage people to use greener technologies, effectively paid users to burn fuel.

It is expected that RHI will cost the taxpayer around £ 490 million.

For those who do not know how the scandal broke out, here's a quick reminder.

Dr. Andrew Crawford gives evidence to RHI Inquiry

Good Morning.

We are live with the Renewable Heat Incentive Inquiry from 9:45.

Former DUP special adviser Andrew Crawford returns to prove his involvement in the botched system.

Dr. Crawford resigned as DUP special adviser in January of last year, after senior officer Andrew McCormick told Stormont's Audit Committee he had tried to delay the introduction of cost controls.

Dr. Crawford, a former Special Adviser to DUP Chairman Arlene Foster, has denied any involvement in the delay in the controls.

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