The basic pension at Maybrit Illner: Kühnert finds Kuban "asocial"

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Updated on 08 November 2019, 06:54

Does the grand coalition fail on the subject of a land rent? If it was after Kevin Kühnert and Tilman Kuban probably already. In Maybrit Illner's talk on Thursday, the two did indeed – but they also fiercely argued for the means test.

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As soon as the leaders of the Union and the SPD have described in detail the successes of the Grand Coalition on the occasion of their mid-term review, they are back in the towel in principle. Controversy is still the basic pension.

Although they have agreed to want this together – but on "how" are still divorced the ghosts. CDU / CSU demand a hard means test, the SPD wants the basic pension flat-rate for all, who have paid contributions for at least 35 years. Could the government fail in this conflict? And if not – how should the compromise look like?

The moderator is active and opinionated

Maybritt Illner you have to perform at the top of the discussion: not compulsively impartial, but active, opinionated, well informed, sometimes loud and always highly present, the moderator led her round confidently. Even when the waves hit high, Illner kept the overview.

Tilman Kuban had the thankless job of still being the most conservative in the group as chairman of a youth organization. The 32-year-old federal chairman of the Junge Union openly admitted that if he could "choose", he would want "no additional benefits" – so no basic pension at all. He does not want to make compromises that would do without the means test.

To other, very specific questions, he read little meaningful around: While he had questioned the suitability of Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer as CDU party leader after the Thuringia election, he now claimed to Illners demand that he had AKK "never questioned . "

Kevin Kühnert, 30 years old and best known for his rebellious positions in the SPD, gratefully rushes to the hard positions of Kuban, even calling his attitude "asocial". Above all, Kühnert deliberately and openly wants to sharpen the question of which party is more concerned with the social and the needs of the weak in society.

He sees "fundamentally different views" between CDU and SPD and wants to use the topic for an "ideological discussion". The coalition agreement is contradictory with regard to the basic pension – "this must now be discussed."

Important for the youth – even without a youth organization

Verena Bentele, twelve-time winner of the Olympic gold medal at the Paralympics and chairwoman of the VdK Social Union, strongly opposes the fact that the problems of the coalition would be suspended on the subject of basic pensions. It concerns people "who have extremely little money". She recalled that the fight against old-age poverty required further steps other than basic pensions, such as the participation of self-employed and civil servants in the pension system.

And she emphasizes, addressing her co-deputies, even though she does not run a youth organization, because she represents the interests of people who are now young, but who want "acceptable pensions in thirty to forty years". "Absolutely absurd" were the fears of Kuban that a basic pension without means test "villa owners" would benefit.

Peichl provides a differentiated view

The most differentiated Andreas Peichl probably considered the problems. The director of the Ifo Center for Macroeconomics, like Kuban, pointed to the German population pyramid, in which pensions are increasingly being used by fewer and fewer workers, pointing to injustices in the planned system and arguing in favor of other models, such as the percentage of additional income and income the waiver of the lump-sum determination of the basic pension entitlement after 35 years of contribution payment.

He was in favor of the means test, but also admitted that the currently required for the basic pension about two billion euros per year would not be a major burden on the federal budget.

Guests with personal reference

As usual with Maybrit Illner, in addition to the guests of the discussion round also directly concerned. The Berlin pensioner Christa Vieten receives a pension from which she can barely live, and relies on food from the blackboard – understandably that she is in favor of the basic pension.

The entrepreneur Claudia Sturm pleaded for a longer working life and justified this with the "fun" that some employees in their company would have to work well beyond the age of 65 years. She points out that the current cost of two billion euros for the ground rent will "explode" as the baby boomer generation retires – as Peichl had already pointed out.

Compromise despite near-escalation

It may be that the topic would have become almost a bit boring, if not Kuban and Kühnert had fiercely violated again and again. The fact that Kuban called the basic pension without means testing a "confetti parade" of the SPD was a cliff-face for polemical answers.

The storm that Kuban had sown with it, he was no argument. He feels much closer to his grandparents than the head of the Union youth, blasphemed Kühnert.

But at the end of the final probably Andreas Peichls assessment is the most plausible: CDU and SPD could in his view "can not afford" to find no compromise. That would also mean that Kevin Kühnert has to wait a while for his election campaign for the next federal government.

And until Tilman Kuban (albeit with a tongue in cheek) wishes for an exclusive government of the Union comes true, it should probably take a little longer.

Bavaria's Prime Minister Markus Söder considers an agreement by the Federal Government on a ground rent possible despite existing differences.

. (tagsToTranslate) Kühnert (t) Peichl (t) Maybrit Illner (t) Illner (t) Polittalk (t) Kuban (t) Jusos (t) Young Union

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